Ah, that's good :) Well, I better be off to work, so no time to comment more :/

Posted by: Phillip Hutchings | Nov 4, 2004 3:30:55 PM

I have a news flash for all you disgruntled Democrats who are moaning about having to move to Canada.
Well, nothing personal folks, but speaking as a true Canadian, I have a revelation for you. WE DON'T WANT YOU.
I have no interest in you transplanting your "American" values into our beautiful country and polluting our society. Fight your own fights on your own soil. If 1/2 of you doesn't have enough brains to add 2 + 2 and come up with 4, that's not our concern.
This is more typical American arrogance that makes you think you can just waltz in and set up shop to be welcomed with open arms. It ain't gonna happen.
Clean up your own backyard instead of contaminating ours!!

Posted by: B.L.Webb | Nov 5, 2004 3:22:22 PM

For B.L. Webb;
Hey flamebait, a lot of folks here are mystified, depressed, confused and feeling that they've awakened in a strange country. The United States of Canada is a joke - get it? Sometimes we joke as a means of keeping despair at bay.
Canada is safe for the moment, Mr. Webb, but is sure as Hell isn't immune. Mull that over.

Posted by: Dennis Poledna | Nov 5, 2004 3:37:01 PM

you know, B.L., you're right. why don't the dems got to the place where they're hatred of america is respected and applauded: france. it seems they share the same values.

Posted by: austin | Nov 5, 2004 7:31:16 PM

It's not hatred of the U.S., stupid, it's fear and depression over what our great country is becoming. Most of us love our country, and seeing our nation -- based on ideals of liberty, freedom, equality, and championing the less fortunate -- turned into one based on power, privilege, and bigotry is depressing and frightening to the strongest-stomached of us.

The Republicans have done a *brilliant* job playing to the fears and narrow-mindedness of a majority of our nation, and we're now reaping the whirlwind as more and more of the rest of the world loathes and fears us.

George Orwell was right; the best way to keep a population in check is to maintain a state of permanent warfare (see 1984, and compare the war between Oceania. Then your average citizen is too paralyzed by fear of the "badguys" and too polarized into an "us vs. them" mentality to see the rot that's taken root in his own hometown.

It's not hatred of America, you fool, it's being awake and seeing the fires burning closer and closer while the mindless herds hungrily consume the Pravda-like pap that Fox News spoons out and keep pouring more gasoline on the flames...

Posted by: T. Canham | Nov 5, 2004 8:56:38 PM

"If 1/2 of you doesn't have enough brains to add 2 + 2 and come up with 4, that's not our concern."

Well duh...the half that can't do that arithmatic don't *want* to come to Canada, it's the brighter half that are as sick of the current US government as you are. But come to think of it, the half that voted for Bush will probably start thinking of taking over Canada eventually (to protect the US from terrorists of course).

But seriously...what sense does it make for you to vent your xenophobic spleen on the very people who object to all the same things you don't like about the US?

Posted by: anomaly | Nov 5, 2004 10:25:10 PM

"It's not hatred of the U.S., stupid, it's fear and depression over what our great country is becoming."

Yeah... better. :P

Posted by: Steve Speck | Nov 6, 2004 12:23:48 AM

I think 'Jesustan' is more apt.

Posted by: California | Nov 6, 2004 4:50:07 AM

Throw in Hawaii and it's a deal.

Posted by: mr. canada | Nov 6, 2004 10:23:03 AM

For the record, even if you were serious about joining canada, believe me, you would hate it. I often say, "Australia was responsible for taking Britains convicts, and Canada... well we took care of Britains mentally challenged folk." I sound a little jaded about Canada, don't I? I could give you reasons why, but frankly you've your own problems to mull over... that and noone could give rats ass about Canada anyway.

Posted by: A.W. | Nov 7, 2004 4:33:59 PM

It doesn't show on that map, but Hawaii would automatically be thrown in because they didn't vote for the chimp. So Canada acquires tropical paradise. Couldn't be that bad could it?

Posted by: Maui | Nov 7, 2004 6:20:06 PM

Hey dont flatter yourselves, heheh we dont really want a mass migration anyway. Someone refered to Canada as where the retarted folk went, but I would have to argue otherwise, afterall where we the jet engine invented, the light bulb, insulin, brain surgery, the snowmobile, hockey, garbage bag, JAVA, Quartz clock, standard time. and on and on. Sure the US can try to invade us again, but given their historical track record I dont give them much chance of success.

Posted by: LOL | Nov 7, 2004 6:56:08 PM

Joke or no joke, I feel all Americans are welcome here and I am not alone.
Do feel free to come on up (or down, if from Detroit and going to Windsor, but do us a favor in return? Take up a collection to put the small but annoying Canadian/Alliance/Reform/Christan/Conservitives on a bus bound for Texas or Kansas? Much oblgied!

Regards,
The GordFather

Posted by: Gordon Vaughan | Nov 7, 2004 8:23:11 PM

Thats not good enough, Try using the county by county map, you cant just assume any rural areas.

Posted by: Christian | Nov 8, 2004 10:25:06 AM

I think the Western provencies of Canada would fit better as part of Jesusstan also. They are similar to our western states in culture.

Posted by: Aaron | Nov 8, 2004 11:45:08 AM

Maybe you should call the north half of the map Satanland. You're a bunch of cry baby loosers.

Posted by: randluke | Nov 8, 2004 2:03:39 PM

We should pull out as soon as possible. If Canada will not have us maybe we just start our own country. I have lived in the South and let me tell you half the people that vote for Bush are as stupid as can be. Just like Bush. They lie and steal. Most churches in the south have at least two or three murders attending. Everyone knows it. Most of the churches also fly the Nazi flag. I know people who went into a sermon and never came out. Bush knows this too. He has video conferneces with his high priest and plan everything. Even beating the Democrats.. Of course he is stupid, so he got lucky. I do have information though that says Bush will take over the world with mind control. If this sounds outlandish....well I'm just trying to fit in with all the other post.

Posted by: truelies | Nov 8, 2004 2:20:16 PM

Personally, I welcome all the disillusioned and depressed democrats into our great northern land, wherein the democratic system isn't a complete joke (well, not quite, anyways). Reverse brain drain? I'm all for it. It might even help our doctor shortage. Unfortunately for the democrats, our immigration system (despite being active; I think we're seeking 250,000 immigrants next year and we'd be happy to overshoot that) has a line about a year long. So I'm afraid you'll be waiting a while... but please, don't let that discourage you. See you soon...

Posted by: JD May | Nov 8, 2004 3:33:43 PM

Why does the left shout "tolerance" from the hilltops and preach more hatred than anyone? If someone disagrees with you, they must automatically be evil in your mind. It seems freedom of speech is only for liberals, and tolerance applies only to the elitist left.

If you want to win people to your side of a political argument, calling them stupid isn't going to help your case, to the contrary, it shows that your argument is extremely weak. If you want your side to start winning elections again, show some of your beloved tolerance towards those you disagree with. Mocking people with a faith in a higher power won't win converts to the Church of Secular Humanism either.

No one runs to the arms of those who hate them. As long as you are under the delusion that those who ascribe to Conservatism wish to burn you at the stake you won't bother listening to them. Well, same goes for you too. As long as I am going to be called hateful for holding different values than you, or stupid for supporting different methods of helping the needy, I will have no interest in hearing you at all.

Wake up Liberal, you're playing the hate game that you accuse others of, and America is getting sick of it.

In order to tolerate someone or something, by definition you first have to disagree with it. If you agree, there is no need for tolerance. Take a good, hard look at yourself next time you consider throwing hateful names at people you disagree with, lest you be called "Hypocrite".

Posted by: Intolerated | Nov 8, 2004 4:04:15 PM

Intolerated. Great job. My feelings could not be expressed any better.

Posted by: randluke | Nov 8, 2004 4:09:53 PM

Why not secede? Canada would benefit by having New York City, Chicago, Detroit, Boston, Los Angeles, Silicon Valley, Seattle, and all the progressive people of those cities. The blue states hold all the means of production... "Jesusland" would be a third world nation without us! This is not such a bad idea... We have the duty as Americans to abolish the government if it fails to serve the will of the People, and protect our right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. The colonists threw off the control of King George III for fewer reasons than we have right now!

It's NOT a bad idea!

Posted by: WKW | Nov 8, 2004 5:04:11 PM

If any of you dont like Jesus Land then go the fuck somewhere else its obviose no want wants you people with no morals and sick minds around get over it our country was founded under the principals of God

Posted by: Mikey | Nov 8, 2004 5:04:16 PM

"Why not secede? Canada would benefit by having New York City, Chicago, Detroit, Boston, Los Angeles, Silicon Valley, Seattle, and all the progressive people of those cities...." from WKW...

Where are you going to get your food? Canada will not support all of you. And what about Guns, nukes, and the military? Oh and I almost forgot. Guts?

Posted by: randluke | Nov 8, 2004 6:31:59 PM

I've just spent the last hour reading the comments on this page and several others - and I'm still (as during the campaign) concerned about the "us" vs "them" mentality that prevails -no matter which side one is on. We're all in this together, folks! We don't all like the same things, but we ALL LOVE OUR COUNTRY!

Calling each other names only increases the animosity - it doesn't solve the problems! Even the tags 'liberals' and 'conservatives', 'right' or 'left' don't cover the reality. Very few people fit neatly into only one 'category'.

Intolerated, you're exactly right that no one wants to run to the arms of one who hates them. But - where does the idea or term 'hate' come from?? Why do you think I hate you because I am depressed right now? And why do you assume I am not Christian?

And Mikey, "....you people with no morals and sick minds?" That's just wrong! This election was very devisive and this country does need some healing -it's worrisome to see that it doesn't seem to be much in evidence yet!

Posted by: worried | Nov 8, 2004 7:16:08 PM

good point about the food. but this country was not founded on the principles of god. most if not all of the founding fathers were diests or agnostics. if this country was founded on christianity then we wouldn't have the establishment clause in the first ammendment. if you don't know what the establishment clause is you try reading your constitution.

Posted by: lala | Nov 8, 2004 8:19:28 PM

I can't imagine a better place to live than 'Jesustan'. Sign me up. I will wait for the 'Toronto Wall' to be erected to keep all that wonderful socialism in though. It would be just too utopian to let out.

BTW, would that mean that USC gets American Pro Football? I guess that the better players will want to not get taxed at 70% plus so I imagine that would still leave you with the scrubs.

Posted by: HalfCanadianMike | Nov 8, 2004 11:22:22 PM

Please don't forget that a lot of us who reside in "Jesusland" are depressed about the election, too. I am scared for my kids - - the world that
they will be growing up in. I so wanted a new president - - obviously Kerry has done a better job parenting than his competitor has done - - look at the differences between their children. I don't understand how the majority of the country could be so blind to the real George W.
He talks religion just to get that group of people to follow him blindly. They don't care that he has no background in world history or world politics. They don't care that he only lets people into his circle who will not disagree with him on his ideas - - that is SO DANGEROUS.
.......just don't forget that there are scared people everywhere in this country. Don't picture all of us in the red states as red. A lot of us are feeling very blue these days...

Posted by: LW | Nov 8, 2004 11:56:39 PM

Randluke:Where are you going to get your food? Canada will not support all of you. And what about Guns, nukes, and the military? Oh and I almost forgot. Guts?

Nice... Keep on spouting out those unintelligent, and uninformed comments guy! You are doing your country proud! Maybe you should add 'bring it on' as a really macho (and origonal) signature handle too. I love the way that you cheapen the deaths of all our servicemen in Afganistan. Our country did not hesitate to assist you in the war on terror, and Canadian families have paid the ultimate price. In fact we are still fighting (and dying) in Afganistan stabilizing the country and hunting for Bin Laden (remember him.)

Still I cant blame you for your small idiotic viewpoint. After all even after our sacrifices in Afganistan your president had the gall to say, "If your not with us (In Iraq) then you are against us." Thats a real class act you re-elected there.

On a side note, I dont hate Americans. I do pity, and wish well the 49 percent of you that somehow saw through the unrelentless Republican propaganda machine and cast a vote that resembeled sanity. As for the rest of you, I refer you to a state college for some 're-edumacation.' You need it 'fer both yer thinkin' and your 'understandering of dem der othere plases on the mapamathingy.'

Posted by: Ramrod | Nov 9, 2004 2:57:26 AM

A lot of motherfuckers have been saying a lot of vulgar shit about those of us who live below the Mason-Dixon. People from the Northeast have been saying that they resent us because they spend too many of their precious tax dollars “helping” us, and that we have ungratefully thrown this back into their lily-white faces by electing Bush. I think some of that polluted snow has managed to seep into their thick skulls.

First of all, not all of us voted for Bush. I voted for Kerry. All my friends voted for Kerry. Every member of my immediate family voted for Kerry. We didn’t vote for him because we liked his arrogant, lifeless, and staid Puritan ways. To the contrary, we voted for him because we have always hated Republicans, which is something that cannot be said for y’all. Yankee politics always seem confusing and petty to me, so I am hoping that a few of y’all can answer a couple of questions I have.

My first question is, if y’all hate the goddamn Republicans so much, then why the fuck did you people create the damn party in the first place? It ain’t our fault that you bourgeois assholes felt like big business needed its own party. Secondly, if you motherfuckers up there hate industrial capitalism so fuckin much, then why did you come down here and force it on us? I’d like to see some answers to that, because my ancestors supported Jeff Davis.

As far as letting the South go, go right ahead. You spoiled motherfuckers have taken this election harder than the Union army took their ass whoopin at Bull Run. We wanted to leave this industrial, money-grubbing, capital-hoardin Republican nation in the first place. You wanna bitch about your tax dollars goin to waste? Don’t send em. We never asked you to. You people are the ones who have this idea that we are all destitute and miserable down here. Of course, I guess y’all would see it that way since y’all have done all you can to make it that way. Go right ahead. Let us go, or even join Canada if you want, because y’all will be the ones payin your dues. You might pay a disproportionate amount of federal taxes, but we shed a disproportional amount of blood in your goddamn foreign wars. Since y’all won’t mind us relieving the nation of our armed sons and daughters, I am assuming you won’t mind us relieving you of all the damn food we grow to feed your sickly asses.

I’ve also heard a lot of motherfuckers sayin that this country was founded at Plymouth by a bunch of bland, stupid, fanatical Puritans. Well, I disagree. As I recall, we were well on our way, smokin tobacco and reading verses of Homer while you cocksuckers were burning witches.

Of course, I could just be an illiterate, backwards Southern redneck with no education. I would answer to that, but I have to get back to writing that essay on Faulkner that’s due tomorrow.

On a final note, I have noticed some of y’all have some strange opinions on the meaning of the Confederate Battle Flag, or the Saint Andrew’s Cross, as I like to call it. I’ll help y’all out by giving you the most prevalent meaning it enjoys down here. It means kiss my ass.

Posted by: Colonel Cash | Nov 9, 2004 3:43:23 AM

There's a novel that's set in 2042 and portrays a scenario where the "red states" have seceded to become the "Confederacy of Christian States." It's DANCE FOR THE IVORY MADONNA by Don Sakers, and it's well worth reading. More info at http://readersadvice.com/mmeade/scatwlds/imbluered.html.

Posted by: Gemma Kaye | Nov 9, 2004 9:54:06 AM

well, i see everyone has managed to get their panties in a bundle over a map. Ive enjoyed the reading.. But i have to say, We are one country, Bush won Ohio, thats up there in yankee territory, And New Mexico was too close to call, and thats in hick territory. What state you live in doesnt dictate your political standing. So stop whining and name calling.. because its sad... To see the country i love so divided, so malicious towards one another. We have bigger fish to fry, boys and girls to bring home from the middle east, and Bin Laden to find and sentence. Remember, we are the "United States of America" So people unite.

Posted by: Nikki | Nov 9, 2004 12:28:16 PM

Ramrod: Sorry. The Guns and guts comment was for my Americans who want to leave or are crying about the election. (And yes I know that they are not really going to take half the country to Canada). It's their attitude that I am speaking out against. As far as who re-elected well, that is none of your business. You have NO VOTE. You may think because I believe in a strong military and a moral standard that I am small minded. Well so what. That's your opinion. That and 50 cents will get you a cup of coffee. It's funny that either the Republican Party is portrayed as the very rich or the very poor depending on the argument the elitist left would like to make.

Posted by: randluke | Nov 9, 2004 1:41:48 PM

To lala,
Your comments about the establishment of religion are true. But it is the establishment. That means there is no state sponsored church. And there isn't. Now I am a little concerned about the Faith Based Initiative. Not because I think America will be controlled by the Pope or Billy Graham. I don't want the government to have a foothold in mine or anybody's church. So I don't agree with everything Bush does. As far as the Founding Fathers not being Christian and that this land is not based on Christian principals: that is just blind revisionist history. Next thing you will be saying is that Thanksgiving was started because the Pilgrims were thankful to the Indians and not God. Do you honestly think that the Founding Fathers would approve of the moral standards this country has. No way. And in case you think that is judgmental its not. I'm not condemning anyone. It’s not in my power. Its not like I'm perfect but at least I can look at a situation and tell right from wrong.

Posted by: randluke | Nov 9, 2004 2:05:19 PM

Very amusing.

So some of you liberals want to secede? Great, go right ahead. Funny how many of you talk of secession, which many of you not only cannot say, but cannot spell. Funny how you suddenly believe that states have a right to secede today, but violently denied my south that right over 140 years ago. Oh, I know, you say, but they wanted to secede in order to preserve SLAVERY. Too bad you don't know your history. Too bad you have only read the northern version of the war that WE call The War of Southern Independence or The War of Northern Agression or The War Between The States. Remember this you hypocrits, the American flag, the flag you revere, flew over slavery for over ninety plus years. The Confederate flag flew...period.... for less than four years. So which flag is a "painful reminder of slavery?" You may need to be reminded that 90-95% of southerners did't even own slaves. 0h, your textbooks didn't mention that? Or, perhaps that my ancestors fought to keep your ancestors out of our country.

Go ahead and secede. I will acknowledge the right, just as my ancestors did. Rergardless of your reason, the states are supposed to have his right, but had the right taken away by Lincoln, who was famous for saying that Northern soldiers where fighting for the "right of self-determination." WHAT? They were fighting for exactly the opposite and denied southerners their own right of self-determination and the right to settle the slavery issue themselves. So I will not fight to hold you back or deny you this right as many of your ancestors did 140+ years ago.

Go ahead to Canada, please. Your mutual love affair with socialism will benefit both parties. Of course you claim to be patriots and lovers of "freedom," but embrace a political philosophy (socialism), which our founding fathers would solidly reject. SOCIALIST PATRIOT. What a great oxymoron. Kinda like educated northerner.

The people of the South aren't willing to allow this Republic to turn into a secular republic, a Godless republic. You hold us in contempt for acknowledging from whom our blessing flow. We know it's not the government. If there is any one group responsible for the demise of this Republic it's those who espouse socialism and secularism. You seem to think taking the income from one man and giving it to another, via our wonderful government, is charity and biblical. It's not, it's theft. As that idiot Lincoln once said "You cannot build up one man by tearing down another."

You liberals are very good at this and conduct this practice like a religion.

Posted by: Crockett | Nov 9, 2004 4:27:29 PM

Nah Crockett, your right, why the hell should we secede. What we ought to do is just go down there and kick your asses .... again.

Posted by: CYA | Nov 9, 2004 7:52:52 PM

Randluke: I apologize for my rather heavy handed message. As a Country with a majorly under funded military, Canada has a lot to be proud about. We don’t hesitate to send our troops into the most hostile places on peacekeeping/liberating deployments. I think that definitely constitutes 'guts.' Hell if the world governing body did not label the Iraq war 'illegal' I am sure that we would have been there too.

Crockett: 'Educated Northerner' is an oxymoron? I would do a little research into 'that' matter if I were you... I don’t want to embarrass you but the average IQ of most American States is in the low 90's. That is 'farm range rude' material by my estimation. In my class, only a few people dropped out before graduation. Of the Graduates, 2/3rds of them went on to attain university degrees. I have an English Degree with a minor in Film Theory, and my wife is a Sociologist. Our annual income is over 100k Canadian (about 50 bucks American.) Yep, life sure is hard here with all the uneducated savages, and the abominable snowmen. I especially hate the low crime, and low unemployment rates! Canada SUCKS!

Posted by: Ramrod | Nov 9, 2004 8:36:03 PM

Come on now everyone, let's try to get along! :)

To those who voted for Bush; congrats, you got your man for the next four years.

To those who voted for Kerry; congrats, in four years Hillary will be running, and the Dems will win.

And to those that wish to come to Canada; the more the merrier! Only we just want a couple assurances as Canadians:
1. You have to leave your assault weapons at
the border, they are not welcome here.
2. Understand that although you may have
voted for Kerry, your political opinions
fall into the farther on the right than
most Canadian politics. We would not be
terribly appreciative if you decided to
bump our entire political process into an
Americanized version.
3. You can't complain about our roads being
too small; our beer being "bad"; our
manners being "too nice"; hockey;
Canadian rules football (our field is
longer, so suck that NFL!); or our
politics being "wussy" (or any varient
of that sentiment); the way we speak
and spell (what's right in the US isn't
neccesarily so here); or our money!
4. You have to deal with the fact that we
don't see anything wrong with homosexuals
or gay marriage (at least most of us);
we don't consider Marijuana to be the
devil's plant; and we consider other
ethnicities to be equal with each other
(although we too have problems with
racism, bigotry, and inequality, just
like anywhere else).
4.5. Respect our unique culture... it's not
quaint!
5. Finally, we do not consider war to be
the ultimate foreign policy objective.
We tend to try to resolve things with
diplomacy, not military might. Related
to this, you cannot criticize our
military in its prowess or size/state.
WE were the ones that took Vimy Ridge
during WWI (which no one else had
managed to do). WE were dying on the
beaches of Normandy long before you got
involved in WWII. And it was some of our
ancestors who have the distinction of
being the only nation to bring a war
onto American soil during the war of
1812 (also, we set fire to the White
House)! So when you don't see Canadian
soldiers stationed around the world
recognize that it was a concious choice
made by Canadian society to provide its
citizens with universal (free) health-
care, government supported retirement
funds, cheap medicine, and a good public
school system!

So... if you can handle these conditions, every Canadian will welcome you with open arms! I look forward to meeting my new friends and countrymen!

James

Posted by: James_in_Canada | Nov 10, 2004 4:18:08 AM

"Where would we get our food"? Canada is a freakin' potential breadbasket. And Canada, don't be afraid of us coming to you, the only way to do this is by secession and joinder- would Canada really mind joining and having the economic resources of New York and California? And the MOST IMPORTANT THING- we would stop the historic injustice of having our capital flow from us to the South disprportionately from what we get back in Federal dollars. The United States of Canada would be the richest and most powerful nation on earth. (And, thanks to oncoming global warming, it would be getting more tropical by the day). Let's face it, it's no longer a cliche'- the South has belatedly won the Civil War- it's time for US to get out. Lincoln had it wrong- we should have let them go.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | Nov 10, 2004 5:43:39 AM

*sigh*
James spouting off wartime achievements from 60-200 years ago makes you sound like an illogical freak.

Dyinglikeflies: Taking parts of the states with you won’t work. The Civil war that would tear America apart would be bloodier than anything imaginable. Then you know what? The Terrorists would have won.
Your welcome to come to Canada, if you are a wealthy educated Liberal then you are more welcome. Maybe that is not fair, but a country has to have standards... (:

Posted by: Ramrod | Nov 10, 2004 5:55:59 AM

No need for a Civil War! The U.S. Constitution is SILENT on the question of secession- all it would take is the popular (read: vote) action of the respective electorates of the states involved and amendment, in most cases, of their own states' constitutions- no big deal!

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | Nov 10, 2004 7:00:20 AM

James, if everything you wrote about canada is true, it sounds fantastic and all I can say is, I'm jealous. I wish I was there.

Posted by: Whitney | Nov 10, 2004 12:28:00 PM

Ramrod: I was not being illogical and I'm not a freak. There is no need to be disrespectful simply because you do not agree with my sentiment. All I was trying to say was that just because we're not around the world invading (read: conquering) third world countries does not mean that we are wimps, pussies, cowards, etc.; we've taken our war-time dues.

Posted by: James_in_Canada | Nov 10, 2004 2:04:21 PM

I feel that I need to put my two cents in about most of what I have read here. I am a democrat. I did not vote for Bush, however I respect that it is the opinion of a majority of the United States that he is the right one to be president. I am still proud to be American, and I will continue to have my opinions just as everyone else has a right to. However I do not feel that it is my place to force those opinions on anyone else. I do feel that a lot of the comments here poorly represent what it means to be an American. Your opinion can be heard without some of the language I have seen here. I am not saying that this country is perfect but I am grateful to have been born here rather than elsewhere in the world. Regardless of who is president, I have more opportunities and rights than almost anywhere else in the world. Maybe it is just my age and inexperience talking but I do not believe that an election should tare this country apart the way we have allowed it to.

Posted by: Melissa | Nov 10, 2004 2:07:34 PM

Ramrod: Again in speaking about guts I was talking to Democrats who want to leave the country. Not to any brave Canadian that died for a just cause. On the subject of your salaries; I make about the same. Question: How much of your income goes to taxes? What is the percent?

Posted by: randluke | Nov 10, 2004 5:41:51 PM

Don't think Canada is a paradise. As you can see, people from Ontario and Quebec are obnoxious wimps who think they are God's great blessing. All they really do is steal from the Western Provinces while excluding our views in Ottawa. They are thieves, cowards and hypocrites who enjoy the privilege of being conceited since they feed like a parasite off of the Mewfies and the Western Provinces. And who actually protects Canada? We do. Those cowards wouldn't shit their pants if bin Laden said 'boo'. But our Princess Patricia's? We do the fighting--even with our bare hands given the cowardly thieves of Ottawa won't give them proper equipment while they steal.

Go Jesusland--you speak 'the Truth'!

Posted by: Western Canada | Nov 10, 2004 5:50:11 PM

Secession is not only GOOD for America, it is also good for the rest of the World...

Corporate America and Americans lifestyle is the one to be blamed for the unrest in the World and for the division that will happen to the United States of America in the near future...

I say to our friends in the North, Don't flutter yourself too much, Corporate America is the one who will decide your Fate.

Posted by: Freethinkig Mind | Nov 10, 2004 7:12:57 PM

Well, i think canada is quite the paradise, though we're made out to be some kind of oversocialized and overtaxed slowthinking country.. Sure, but my stress level is pretty low.

Just stumbled across a new jesus land site: http://www.jesusland.com

Posted by: Messiah | Nov 10, 2004 11:15:38 PM

If the north part of the map
is Satanland, then the southerly
portion should be Easterbunnyland.
Then we get the proper cartoon perspective
of all this superstitious crap.

Posted by: P. Miller | Nov 11, 2004 10:08:01 AM

Just wait until 2008 when Pennsylvania joins Jesus Land! Then we'll sell Canada the rest of you Commies, use the money to pay off the current Seniors and debt, and live happily ever after with POSITIVE RETURNS in OWNED, privatized Social Security accounts.

Posted by: jr4notaxes | Nov 11, 2004 11:31:41 AM

Pennsylvania isn't about to join Jesus Land. If anything once the red states start seeing how they've been duped by the big corporations the trend will probably go the other way. I find it hard to believe that the hard working people of the South and West won't wake up and realize that W is going to send their jobs to India, China and .....Canada. Then they'll be the ones moving North for work.

If we are going to privatize Social Security, why not just stop taxing us for it and let us invest the money ourselves?

Posted by: CYA | Nov 11, 2004 12:43:27 PM

You got a stuttering problem there P. Miller?

Posted by: randluke | Nov 11, 2004 2:24:50 PM

Wow, i think it's funny how all you greeny global warming idiots are trying to gang up and come up with stupid conspiracy theory's on how Bush stole the election and why you should all move to Canada. Please, don't trouble us up here, we have enough problems with socialized medecine. It's funny how a Canadian scientist disproved the global warming theory just recently, just a little FYI for all you LIB americans out there, which your media would not like you hear about, for fear of Dave Matthews and Alec Baldwin loosing popularity...

You all need to get a grip on reality, and stop being lead around by the fat arse Michael Moores and George Clooneys, stop smoking grass, get off the PS2 and get a real job. Stop being a bunch of whiney lemmings who go jumping off a cliff for hollywood. We're sick of hearing it. Move to Iraq since Brad Pitt thinks it's candy land #2.

Hey CYA, Why does John Kerrys' Ketchup Syndicate have 80 facilities and 18 factorys.. what's that? Overseas?? Wow, talk about outsourcing American jobs, and a headquarters in the bahamas.. hmm, sounds like tax evasion to me.. do some research

Keep Canada Clean -Of brainwashed Americans that is

Posted by: TorontoMD_PHD | Nov 11, 2004 5:20:37 PM

This would be directed to Ramrod:

I just thought that I would tell you the name wins the gold. I am glad that you decided to take it upon yourself to inform others that a war is not a soap opera and that our men and women are still overseas dying for the USA. Many of the americans today seem to forget all of that...sorry to say
And on a side note for your educational purposes...not all of the southern folk in the US need "re-edumacation" because of who they voted for...
Thank you though for setting randluke straight...he really needed it

Posted by: git 'r dun | Nov 11, 2004 5:27:12 PM

http://www.hannity.com/img/usa_election_map.jpg

county by county map

Posted by: Mark | Nov 11, 2004 7:09:36 PM

everyone: All of you people make me laugh. At the expense of possible ridicule, I have come right out and let you know where I stand. Colonel Cash, you may be a dem, but I agree with you mostly. Crocket you even more so. Why are the libs talking about the "need to secede?" IF that is what they want... My family died under "St. Andrews Cross" beside yours. We did so to defend our homes from a hostile army. We detested slavery. It wasn't about that. Mr. Lincoln, also from my bloodline, needed an excuse to give the North for continuance of the War. I like to call that his war. I fail to see how that effects in this matter.
I have always said that if this, meaning the U.S., is not for you, LEAVE. We all vote here. We can not always win. Whining doesn't change that. Better luck next time.

If you want to leave, please do so in a QUIET and orderly fashion. Bush won the votes. Look at it any way you want to. Draw your conclusion. Then do what is right for you. If that is leaving, GOOD. If not, that is fine with me, too.

Some people just have to cry about something. The war is a prime example. You have the right to protest. PLEASE, keep your facts strait. We do not send children to die. We send MEN who signed up for it!!! THANK YOU MR. MOORE!!!

The troops may not agree to the last man, but most understand that. Our military rewards SERVICE. The GI bill is not a social program!
To those who were mistaken, I am sorry. (BUT NOT TOO MUCH!) The military's purpose is to fight our wars. The GI bill is our thanks. We should improve it, but it is there.

Mr. Kerry under minded the trust between him and our troops a long time ago. In all that time, he never did one thing to fix that damage.
He also never laid out any detailed plans our boys could get behind.

For those who can not see our position of safty in the future, mayhap you don't belong here any how. Right war or wrong war, we will be safer now. Your children will thank you in any event.

For those who are misguided enough to think this is a war of conquest... You don't give your victims of conquest the right to vote when you finish. Don't take my word for it, look for yourself. do not allow youself to be led around by the nose.

I may have voted republican, but I have no love of BIG BUSINESS. I am a lowly roofer in the little red state of Wyoming. conservatisim is based on a strong belief in the CONSTITUTION.
It has nothing to do with BIG BUSINESS. The republican party has little to do with it as well. However you Libs are unhappy MR BIG BUSINESS himself isn't packing for D.C. Think of that next time you're about to preach on the subject. His account makes W's look like mine!

If you still feel like leaving, just remember one thing... The flag of the Confederacy is Southern for kiss my ass!!! I bid you a SOUTHERN farwell.

Posted by: Redneck conservative | Nov 12, 2004 12:50:01 PM

Intolerated says;
"In order to tolerate someone or something, by definition, you first have to disagree with it."
Exactly. That is the definition.
Now - Here is the example; A mother unconditionally loves her child. [Like Jesus loves all God's little children.] However the Mother tolerates her baby's dirty diapers.
Last time I checked --- people aren't diapers....
Try unconditional love next time you vote, rather than war Intolerated. Jesus would love you for it!

Posted by: Freetodotherightthing | Nov 12, 2004 8:14:11 PM

(for intolerated)...............lest you be called "Hypocrite".

Posted by: Freetodotherightthing | Nov 12, 2004 8:17:59 PM

Yo Redneck - you have to be kidding - at least kidding yourself. George Bush and his Repulican cronies are not over in Iraq for any noble cause. They are there for one reason - OIL. They are picking the pockets of the American people while waving the flag of the war on terrorism.

While George and his buddies are collecting BILLIONS in taxpayer money, we're out there fighting and dying. There weren't any terrorist in Iraq before the war - But there sure are now!!

Note that both Paul O'Neil the former secretary of the Treasury and and Richard Clark the former counter terrorism advisor to Bush have acknowledged that Bush was looking to invade Iraq two weeks after taking office. Long before 9/11.

The Republican party IS BIG BUSINESS - NOT ONE OF THE PEOPLE IN BUSH'S CABINET ISN'T A MILLIONARE.

You people talk about taxation - and boy George is lowering taxes - however he is spending like a drunken sailor as this country sinks deeper and deeper into debt. And who is going to pay for it? You and me!!!! Whoopie!!!

By the way - The War between the states has been over for 139 YEARS. The people in the former UNION states NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER think about it. WE COULD CARE LESS. There are more important things to think about, like the future and some idiot sending our children over to foreign lands so that BIG BUSINESS can pull in their BIG PROFITS.

Sure Afganistan was justified - and that is where we should be now - except George and his cabinet have no Herion business or I am sure we would be there. (On the other hand the Republicans did deal with the Contras in the 80's - when they cleary defied the CONSTITUTION)

So thanks you guys - more debt that will eventually result in high taxes, more death and an idiot in the White House. Yippie!!! You really have a lot to celebrate!!!

Posted by: cya | Nov 14, 2004 9:35:59 AM

Is the "Jesus" of this so-called "Jesusland" the Jesus of the Jefferson Bible (also called "The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth Extracted Textually from the Gospels")?

Posted by: David Wozney | Nov 14, 2004 5:45:26 PM

Some of you people are just robots that repeat and beleive anything that Michael Moore or John Jerry and John Edwards tell you, or for the senator what the media tells him to say because it looks good at the time. Goerge is doing this and that give me a break you talk like this man the President of the United States is satan or something well alot of people think differently about that so they all must be dumb or somethen or there jesus lovers, shut up don't you get tired of hearing the crap you say over and over. Your just cry babys that want to have something to be bitter over and justify it as a cause to keep being miserable. Im a so called right winger i guess because i think george is doing his job well ok then whatever put on your tampon and quit bitchen.

Posted by: Mikey | Nov 16, 2004 6:07:21 PM

I am from Canada and I have some things to say thing to say .......1st. I don't care if all the democrats come to canada , we are a great nation that has alot of great people(Tommy Douglas, Alixander Graham Bell as well as others) and great social programs(healtcare)and I belive they could be happy for the next 4 years here in Canada were they do not have to hear the word dubba.....2nd the person who wrote this,Don't think Canada is a paradise. As you can see, people from Ontario and Quebec are obnoxious wimps who think they are God's great blessing. All they really do is steal from the Western Provinces while excluding our views in Ottawa. They are thieves, cowards and hypocrites....needs to do some research the western provinces hold there own with oil and travil. And I have great respeect for all the politicians in Ottawa.
3rd Come to Canada and see it for yourself before you judge us....PLEASE

Posted by: mike | Nov 16, 2004 6:26:07 PM

Democrats need to stop playing up the movie star or rock star help to get votes. There not real people they live in a fantasy world where they dont have to worry about what goes on in the country all they worry about is what am i gonna wear to the next grammy awards. They cant be a republican because they will be shunned by the media and all the liberal's that control the media. Howard Sten is still trying to figure out a way to get George out of office, that doesnt say much for the democrats wich most of you will say they love Howard Stern. Thats kinda sick i think

Posted by: Mikey | Nov 16, 2004 6:41:18 PM

First off, I think it should be mentioned that no region of the United States produces anywhere close to the amount produced in the San Joaquin Valley in California. Sure, there's a lot of agriculture in the south as well, but let's not forget that for the most part they're growing tobacco and cotton which is inedible.Also, the largest concentration of Marines and Navy in the World is in San Diego. I think they'd be able to defend themselves okay.

Posted by: Seth | Nov 17, 2004 4:09:36 PM

The way I see it, there are worse ideas than secession. We could have a civil war. We could have Christian run "reeducation camps" eventually. I don't know that any of these things are likely to occur, but it is high time we start to discuss, rationally, the possibilities and options. A lot of hay is made over Canada and it does have its strong points. Canadians have a point, too, though when they tell us to clean up our own act in the States. Perhaps they'd be willing to help instead of adopt the classic American "keep it on your side of the fence" attitude, though, when nothing so far has stayed on anyone's side of the fence.

Posted by: Bob | Nov 21, 2004 8:20:50 AM

You liberals keep saying the Christians are taking over. Well I don't know what your ghetto urban schools are teaching you but this country was started by Christians. But as we started letting more Africans, Asians, and Middle Easters in they start trying to taking us over. And the rest of the white atheist trash is encouraging them. I am Hispanic and I agree with some diversity but not to the point where it starts erasing the American culture. So don’t say you are a patriotic liberal because there is no such thing.

Posted by: Chris | Nov 23, 2004 4:45:14 PM

I'm sorry to see this board die. There is a real constituency out there for a reasonably intelligent discussion on the subject of whether the American experiment has, at the least, hit a bump, or, more seriously, run its course. The merger of the North and South into the United States of America was ab initio a marraige of convenience and, like all such marraiges, may have been doomed. The blue states have a lot more in common with Canada than with our countrymen from the South. The U.S. Constitution does not prohibit seccession- heck, it was probably not mentioned in there by the Framers on purpose. Again, Lincoln had it wrong- we should have let them go.

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