Saturday, November 06, 2004

Red & Blue World

Cartographer's delight! Map Day is now Map Weekend!

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via Bruce Stokes / Washington Note

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Comments

Owsley,

"Do you really believe that once you become a politician you instantly become corrupt and forget all about your family and friends that have to live with the "devious" choices you plan to make for the rest of the country?"

No, I don't think it's some magical, instantaneous transformation; and I don't think that most politicians are corrupt in the same way that you might consider a mafia don corrupt. They're not evil people (Cheney and Tom DeLay aside), they just know where their bread is buttered. In our current system, the process one must go through to work his or her way up the political ladder, especially on a national level, requires that person to either: A. Be a multi-millionaire (thus making them completely out of touch with the day-to-day lives of the vast majority of Americans); or B. Grovel for campaign contributions from any number of corporate and special interest gruops - liberal and conservative. In plainer terms, these contributions are legalized bribery. It is naive to think that the groups giving this money expect nothing in return, and any successful politician understands this. The debacle surrounding the Bush energy plan is a classic example of this. I don't think any citizen who gets into politics at a local level does so with the intent of becoming a corporate whore. It's simply a product of our current, broken system. The only way we can ever begin to restore integrity and true accountability to our public offices is to get rid of the corrupting influence of corporate and private campaign contributions.

"Anyway, it's just disgusting how anyone can consider America as the world's largest sponsor of terrorism. What lunatics can come up with such trash."

One definition of hypocrisy is to hold others to a standard that you yourself are not willing to meet. Like I said, I was merely holding our country to its own definition of the word. A 1984 Army Ranger handbook defined terrorism as the use or threat of violence against civilians for political or ideological purposes. When we drop bombs on Iraq (or Afghanistan or Kosovo, or Vietnam, etc, etc), we know there will be civilian casualties; the military calls it "collateral damage". We know we're going to kill civilians, there's no way around it. The military calculates "acceptable levels of colateral damage" when deciding where to drop bombs. The fact that we are even willing to consider an acceptable level puts us on the same page as the so-called terrorists. I say this not to excuse the terrible acts of groups like al-Queda, but rather to condemn our country's own actions as no better. By our own definition we are s

Posted by: Mike | Nov 16, 2004 4:03:20 PM

I'm not sure why it keeps double posting, I only hit the "Post" button once. Sorry again.
- Mike Lorenz

Posted by: Mike | Nov 16, 2004 4:06:10 PM

LP, I'm not sure if you'll ever get this, but I am disappointed to see you include Mao Tse-tung in your statement about evil people. Mao was far from evil. His ideas were genuinely peaceful, but his followers took him the wrong way. I am reading his biography presently having just finished a biography on Ho Chi Minh. I find that what most Americans know about Asian leaders is so terribly twisted by what we're taught that they often overlook the horrors of what our country has done to these leaders in the first place.

For example, you know that Ho Chi Minh studies in European countries, particularly France, and following the end of both World Wars he petitioned the US government for assistance in ousting the French and helping him in establishing Viet Nam as a semi-capitalistic democratic nation hosting free elections. They entirely ignored him both times. This caused him to view the US in a bad light, and he turned to Russia as his political inspiration. Hence... communism and the Viet Nam War.

Likewise, Saloth Sar had good intentions and did wonders for his country before well... he just plain went crazy and began mass-murdering people under the name Pol Pot. I don't really know what his problem was. He just flipped out.

Posted by: Jason Sabback | Nov 17, 2004 3:10:54 AM

this is absolutely retarded. will you people quit your belly aching about the election. Kerry lost. Bush won. it is as simple as that. Bush won in a popular vote, so even with the electoral college eliminated, it would yield the same result. can we please cut the conspiracy theorys and the illustrated world maps? who in their right mind can say the 'world' voted for Kerry? who really cares? they don't vote. they don't pay taxes. they don't get a say so. i don't remember being asked who do i want to preside over the Czech Republic....

bottom line. we are americans. all of us. we, as a country, have elected Bush for 4 more years. quit your bitching, and try to make America better by doing something positive. quit saying the world would be better....IF....
if you really can't stomach having Bush as a president, you will have another chance to vote in 4 years. that the beauty of America....you get to keep voting.

let's all take a moment,,,,,,,,,,,and get behind our country instead of criticizing everything.

Posted by: Tom | Nov 17, 2004 11:54:27 AM

Tom,
"if you really can't stomach having Bush as a president, you will have another chance to vote in 4 years. that the beauty of America....you get to keep voting."

I would agree that the fact that we get to choose our leaders every 2 or 4 years is a great thing, (the quality of choices we are given, however, is up for debate). Where I disagree with you is the idea that people who don't like what Bush is doing should simply shut up and wait until the next presidential election. I think it is important for progressive, anti-war citizens to make their voices heard. Again, I agree with you when it comes to being fed up with listening to people who are simply bitching about the fact that Kerry lost. It's really annoying to read articles in which all the writer does is mope and speculate about how awful the next four years are going to be. The voting booth is not the end of the democratic process, rather, it is just the beginning. Our country's history is full of examples of ordinary people voicing their opinions through means other than the ballot box. Join an organization like United for Peace and Justice, attend a rally or protest write your local, state and federal representatives (you'd be surprised how many of them take the time to write back), write a letter to the editor of you local newspaper, do something. I don't see those sorts of thing as pointless complaining. An engaged citizenry is integral to democratic society. If we cast our vote on election day and then stand idley by, saying nothing while the people we elect go about their business; we might as well live in a monarchy or dictatorship. The real beauty of the American system of government is not that citizens get to elect who will lead them; it is the fact that those citizens can and should have a constant dialogue with their elected officials and their fellow citizens. The fact that we get to have a say in how our government operates WHILE our government is operating is what so many people in other nations find appealing about our country. It's unfortunate how many people either don't realize this or fail to take advantage of this great gift.
- Mike Lorenz

Posted by: Mike | Nov 17, 2004 4:35:04 PM

Tom,
"if you really can't stomach having Bush as a president, you will have another chance to vote in 4 years. that the beauty of America....you get to keep voting."

I would agree that the fact that we get to choose our leaders every 2 or 4 years is a great thing, (the quality of choices we are given, however, is up for debate). Where I disagree with you is the idea that people who don't like what Bush is doing should simply shut up and wait until the next presidential election. I think it is important for progressive, anti-war citizens to make their voices heard. Again, I agree with you when it comes to being fed up with listening to people who are simply bitching about the fact that Kerry lost. It's really annoying to read articles in which all the writer does is mope and speculate about how awful the next four years are going to be. The voting booth is not the end of the democratic process, rather, it is just the beginning. Our country's history is full of examples of ordinary people voicing their opinions through means other than the ballot box. Join an organization like United for Peace and Justice, attend a rally or protest write your local, state and federal representatives (you'd be surprised how many of them take the time to write back), write a letter to the editor of you local newspaper, do something. I don't see those sorts of thing as pointless complaining. An engaged citizenry is integral to democratic society. If we cast our vote on election day and then stand idley by, saying nothing while the people we elect go about their business; we might as well live in a monarchy or dictatorship. The real beauty of the American system of government is not that citizens get to elect who will lead them; it is the fact that those citizens can and should have a constant dialogue with their elected officials and their fellow citizens. The fact that we get to have a say in how our government operates WHILE our government is operating is what so many people in other nations find appealing about our country. It's unfortunate how many people either don't realize this or fail to take advantage of this great gift.
- Mike Lorenz

Posted by: Mike | Nov 17, 2004 4:35:31 PM

Seriously, what am I doing wrong here? Why does my computer keep double posting?
- Mike Lorenz

Posted by: Mike | Nov 17, 2004 4:36:48 PM

Tom, you say "who in their right mind can say the 'world' voted for Kerry? who really cares?"

Wow. Spectacular arrogance there buddy. Who really cares what the entire rest of the world thinks? That kind of American-centric ambivalence towards the rest of humanity is EXACTLY why the world is so unbelievably frustrated the Christian right voted in a war mongering lying corporate whore - again.

You say "they (the world) don't vote. they don't pay taxes. they don't get a say so. i don't remember being asked who do i want to preside over the Czech Republic...."

No but maybe you remember being asked about who you wanted to preside over Iraq? I seem to remember 15,000,000 people around the world protesting over that, the largest global protest ever in fact. Did George Bush listen? Nope. Did he come crawling back asking the world for extra troops when it all turned to shit? Sure.

And invading foreign countries is only scratching the surface of the multifarious ways America affects the rest of the world. American corporations, (thanks to US government deregulations) are currently exploiting the world's resources, paying scant regard for the environment, crop diversity, third world farmers, labor Unions, woman's rights, etc etc.

George Bush walking away from the Kyoto agreement saying the richest country in the world couldn't afford to protect the earth, when every other country (even Russia!) has signed up, is the height of self centered arrogance. George Bush walking away from a Nuclear Proliferations treaty is just plain stupidity.

I usually like to keep my editorial poker face on when discussing politics, but there's just no denying it, the man is a complete cock, and he's seriously fucking up the entire world. So if you really want to 'not care' what the rest of the world thinks, how about voting in someone who doesn't rape the planet for profit. Or even just someone who can pronounce 'nuclear.'

Posted by: Funk Monsta | Nov 27, 2004 3:00:33 PM

Funk Monsta,
I couldn't agree more.
- Mike Lorenz

Posted by: Mike | Nov 30, 2004 4:28:07 PM

Funk Monsta,
I couldn't agree more.
- Mike Lorenz

Posted by: Mike | Nov 30, 2004 4:28:07 PM

We're not anti-American. We're anti-corruption. You have the largest amount of dodgy, unnecessary military spending in the world. Your government is controlled by the companies that recieve this dirty money and many of your people go along with it because they get paid to make stuff to kill non-Americans. Iraq is and was an excuse to keep the budget up. Clinton justified it as a kind of welfare state. But going back a bit your own original war hero, Eisenhower, warned against the rise of the military in collusion with industry and ultimately, he warned, congress. Now congress is in a think-tank insulated bubble, as are the unquestioning media consuming proportion of the people. You who understand this and support it should be utterly ashamed of yourselves.

Posted by: Winston | Jul 4, 2005 5:31:10 AM

Could you please indicate SOLOMON ISLAND on the world map.

Till I hear from you.
Thanks.

Posted by: oloyed joseph | Oct 21, 2005 2:07:33 PM

Wow what a bunch of uneducated nitwits. I support President Bush, I support the end of the cease-fire in Iraq due to Saddam not participating with the UN weapons inspectors, I support the destruction of the Taliban and all who support terrorist groups. Arrogant? Possibly. All I can say is get over it and work to make your county as rich as us. We are a free, independent country, like other countries, although it seems like most people forget that. You think just because we are the richest and most power nation on the earth we have to listen to other countries; we don't. If you don't like how your country deals with us then vote someone into office who will deal with us the way you want. George Bush may not be the best President ever, but he is a hell of a lot better than the trash many countries "vote" into office or allow to take over their countries. At least with our system we can vote a new person into the most powerful position on the planet every four years. Personally I think that most people are just jealous of our status and how in just a little over 200 years we have come from backwater colony to the most powerful country in the world.

Posted by: Fred | Nov 3, 2005 9:42:30 AM

Dude

1) This is pretty much a goof;
2) Its already a year old;

get real

Posted by: Barry Ritholtz | Nov 3, 2005 10:00:25 AM

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